What happens when artificial intelligence joins the conversation on ministry leadership, church trends, and the future of the Presbyterian Church in Canada? This week’s Ministry Forum Podcast delivers something truly unique—a thought-provoking conversation between The Rev. John Borthwick and ChatGPT, an AI developed by OpenAI. If you’ve ever wondered how AI perceives the shifting landscape of the church—or if you simply enjoy a mix of humour, deep questions, and fresh insights—this episode is for you.

Why did we engage AI in conversation?

Across Canada, ministry leaders are navigating a time of immense change. From declining church membership to shifting cultural attitudes toward faith, from the challenges of pastoral wellness to reconciliation efforts with Indigenous communities, today’s leaders are carrying a complex load. The big question: How do we faithfully lead and adapt in this era of transition?

That’s exactly what John explores in this episode, posing some of the most pressing questions ministry leaders are asking today. And ChatGPT—acting as a kind of stand-in conversation partner—responds with reflections on leadership, resilience, and innovation. While AI doesn’t have personal experience, its ability to analyze historical and cultural patterns offers a fresh lens on the opportunities and struggles facing the church today.

Some Highlights Of The Conversation

• Membership Decline & Congregational Sustainability – Like many mainline denominations, the Presbyterian Church in Canada is experiencing a decline in attendance. What does this mean for the future of congregations? ChatGPT discusses new models of missional renewal, digital ministry, and creative partnerships that could shape the church moving forward.

• Clergy Wellness & Leadership Challenges – With growing demands on ministry leaders, how can pastors and elders avoid burnout? The discussion touches on mental health support, clergy sabbaticals, peer mentorship, and leadership training to sustain and equip those serving in ministry.

• Reconciliation & Social Engagement – The PCC continues to wrestle with its role in Indigenous reconciliation, justice work, and inclusive ministry. What are the next steps toward meaningful action?

• The Future of the Church: 5 to 40 Years – Can we predict the long-term trajectory of the church? ChatGPT outlines a possible future, imagining a leaner but more engaged church, increased ecumenical collaboration, and a movement toward networked communities rather than traditional institutional structures.

This is not a conversation about replacing human leadership with AI. Instead, it’s an invitation to think differently about ministry, cultural shifts, and the church’s ongoing mission. John’s curiosity and humour make this an engaging listen, and ChatGPT’s responses spark both reflection and debate—perhaps even challenging our assumptions about what comes next for the church.

So, grab a coffee (or your beverage of choice), hit play, and join us for one of the most unusual yet insightful conversations we’ve had on the Ministry Forum Podcast.

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P.s. come back and let us know what do you think! Did anything in this conversation surprise or challenge you? Let’s continue the discussion—comment below or connect with us on social media at @ministryforum.